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In response to an earlier post on NH 461, assuming the gearbox and wobble box on one of these machines are OK, is there anything other than rolls that would be a problem on this machine? You are right, they seem to be worth nothing here in PA, as I bought one for almost nothing last year even though it seemed to cut OK, (but we didn't run it hard at all, because hay was already done). The rolls are like brand new, which is why I bought it, but I never ran one this old. Got the manuals and operator guides, we are planning to tear down and rebuild starting next month.
If there is some kind of show stopper, then I guess maybe I would part it out. I see that many parts are discontinued, but may be available at a yard, or salvage. Seems like most common wear items can still be had (unless the book is wrong). I looked for a decent picture of the sheetmetal, but can't seem to find one. Looks like they didn't have much.
Anybody have good pictures of the rear of this machine? Any old ad liturature? Also, decals seem to be an issue, as they are one of those discontinued items. Anybody know someone who makes up NH decals? Another thing, is that outfit that took all the NH old parts still shipping them? My buddy over in the Service Dept left, and I haven't talked to some of the others since the early '90's.
Anything else we should look for before investing lots of $? Prestige induction cooker manual. Any advice greatly appreciated. Glenn (formerly of New Holland, worked over in the 'White House' computer group 'til 1985).
Glen, It's been a few years, but if I remember correctly the 460 and 461 had the steel roller on the bottom and the rubber roller on the top. Is this correct? Also worked for a New Holland Company Store in Central Texas prior to joining the military in 1985. In the early '80's there was a dealership that shut down. Don't want to spread gossip so I won't but they didn't go bankrupt. More than one local dealership and independent tried to get the NH line but New Holland had other plans. The shop I worked for bought up the majority of the parts inventory that was left.
461 Swather Manuale
My boss was going into the salvage yard business and was looking at stocking parts. He also bought up the parts from another place when they lost the NH line. Many people in the Cen. Tx area were just a little peeved over the no parts and service offered and changed to other makes of equipment (this is how it was for about a year and a half). I have a friend that worked at one of the places that shut down.
He also acquired a few parts for Ford, MF, and NH through auctions and other means. Only place that I can think of where I have seen a diff for either a Ford or MF from factory new and never used. LOL, but just try to purchase it.he has no idea what the stuff he has fits, but if you show any type of interest in buying it the price automaticly goes WAY UP. If I can find it; may have some literature and decals that might work on the cutter stuffed somewhere in my tool box on the farm. If interested I'll take a look when ever I go home to Cen Tx next. Not sure when that will be, but will take a look.
Later days mate, Jim. The 460 had the steel roll, the 461 had both rubber. The 80's were the beginning of NH trying to get serious about managing parts. One of my first assignments was to set up the computer so that you could scan all the other branches, if yours didn't have the part you needed. That's where I met the people in Service Parts, and got to see the Mountville whse. It seemed like they were starting to squeeze the little guys at that point. I'm sure somebody knew about the Ford deal, as even back home the small NH guys were pressured into closing up, and selling out to somebody else.
Your friend must be a true 'collector'. It would be interesting to see that stuff, I'm sure he is pretty proud of it LOL! If you have any literature or decal sets from that series, maybe they could be used to have some new decals made. I'd be grateful if you looked, at your convenience, as this isn't a high pressure job.
We just want a machine that cuts hay, and it might as well look good too! I had thought I might get a 'government' copy of the decal prints, but no luck yet. I used to live over by Blue Ball, by the old car museum. I am now living in Wilkes-Barre, up I-81.
One of my best friends lives over by Landis Valley museum, he was at NH for many more years than I. My family still farms in Bradford County, PA - which is where I keep all my 'stuff'. (except a 1939 AC B tractor I am currently restoring in my garage) There were about 7 of us who were hired into NH, after a real long dry spell. They called us the 'rookies', as everyone there had been at NH many years. Some of us were in Service, some in Engineering, some in HR, and a few of us in DP. I am pretty sure there were a couple left a few years ago, but there have been a lot of changes since then. Right after we started, the Ford buyout happened, and the place started changing.
I ended up going north, but still get down that way every so often. Do they still do the plant tours? I would love to see how things have changed since the last time I was there. I remember seeing the robots and foundry in Belleville and being impressed by the whole thing. I understood they emptied out Mountville, with a lot of those parts going to DPNI.
That was the biggest warehouse I'd ever seen at the time. (Guess the JD Distribution Ctr in Moline has that honor for now. Went on a tour there a few yrs back.) Anyway, we ran a Ford farm growing up, still have the tractors and equipment. Always went with NH for hay equipment though. If I'm down that way, do you ever entertain visitors? Glenn Hop to.
461 Swather Manual Treadmill
Hello I am looking to start growing Alfalfa and I wanted to know if $900 is an ok price to pay for this kind of swather. Here is a link, it'll cost me $402 in gas to haul it to my place. I've heard of people saying that this model is pretty good to cut alfalfa with and also I've heard of negatives, such as its front left frame member being cracked at the weld to the table beam, and the drive shaft seals. And I have heard of people going out to an auction and picking one up for $500. I'm just looking for a starting swather that will take charge in one or two cutting seasons and then live a life of being a back-up. I am using a NI 290 right now. It should have a steel roll on the bottom & a smooth laminated rubber roll on top.
I have mine set to condition as tight as it will, and while it does a decent job my friends cut with his NH will dry down faster in heavy hay it seems. They are a 9' cut & I run mine with a 40hp tractor.
The one nice thing about them is you can really spead out your cut hay nice & wide, probably 80% or more coverage. For the most part you can still get the part for them.
If you happen to find one further north of you let me know. I wouldn't mind getting another one for a spare/parts machine. And yes, unless you want to sell bleached out or 'prewashed' hay you will want a conditioner.
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